Veterans. Then and now. Changes?

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Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:29 am

I thought these threads would be fun to have available for remembering the history. I never danced back in the early 00's or the other decades mentioned so for me it's fun to learn about how it was back then and the evolution of the industry too. (ETA: I separated the two threads, I first put the dancing in the 70's 80's and 90's thread here too but it was just too confusing to have two threads in one) I just post the first post now, I think it would actually be better to have all threads uploaded here and not have to follow the link to the webarchive but I can't do all that right now.



Veterans. Then and now. Changes?
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SexyStella:
Ok. August 8th 2004 I worked my first shift at a stripclub. So today is my 14 year anniversary.
I don’t know why this popped in to my head but last night I started thinking about my baby stripping years and how it was back then compared to how the business is now.

I would love to hear from fellow veterans (8+years) about changes, back in the day etc.

the biggest differences I see is,
- Club rules were actually fallowed. If not, suspension or fired.
- NO extras. Minimal touching.
- VERY rare that girls did OTC. If you got caught you got a nasty reputation.
- Telephonenumbers were strictly forbidden to be exchanged.
- You had to be on time, make up and hair ready.
- No smartphones so slow nights felt like an eternity.
- Actually taking pride in your stage show. I guess kind of like feature dancers today. We had multiple costumes. Usually matching the music we were dancing to. Like military outfit for GnR - civil war etc.
- Ordering your clothes from catalogs.
- I remember when YouTube came along and all the girls would gather around the club computer looking at videos from Bobbie’s pole studio in Australia and we were just in aaaawww...

Oh, I’ll be celebrating my anniversary by working. 😂


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Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:09 pm

Thank you so much for this input. I've never been a dancer but I was a bartender in a a few Stripclubs in the SE before I started to work online. It was in the strippy where I found out about online sex work. Back then Myspace was a sex worker hub and the age of social media influencers like Tila Tequila. I know this all started long before this, but those were my origins. ❤️‍🔥


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Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:42 pm

I had no idea you used to bartend in strip clubs! I love hearing the origin stories.

I barely remember now how I got into the business, I mean I remember my first shift but not how I got the idea in the first place. I was reading about dancers when I was younger (and also found a stripper blog, even wrote a comment on it once, I've tried to remember the name of it but I can't, I think the girl mainly worked in a club called Perfect 10 or something), maybe all that planted a seed.

I also feel like it's a part of history that probably won't be told or remembered unless we actively retell it or save the information. Like this whole saving stripperweb threads operation. So I'm grateful you have done all this and created this new platform so that the information is not completely lost.


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Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:10 pm

Likethis wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:42 pm I had no idea you used to bartend in strip clubs! I love hearing the origin stories.

I barely remember now how I got into the business, I mean I remember my first shift but not how I got the idea in the first place. I was reading about dancers when I was younger (and also found a stripper blog, even wrote a comment on it once, I've tried to remember the name of it but I can't, I think the girl mainly worked in a club called Perfect 10 or something), maybe all that planted a seed.

I also feel like it's a part of history that probably won't be told or remembered unless we actively retell it or save the information. Like this whole saving stripperweb threads operation. So I'm grateful you have done all this and created this new platform so that the information is not completely lost.
Yes! That is the objective. Let's move forward but also preserve the past.

While I was a bartender a dancer told me about phone sex. Everyone would tell me how sexy my voice was and how I could make money etc. The truth is my voice, biggie titties and the gift of gab was how I made money bartending. Eventually I listened to my coworkers and started a MySpace page for phone sex. I also designed Myspace pages for the dancers in my club. Like most elder millennials and generation x, Myspace is where we really really got into social media.

As messy as Tila Tequila is now, homegirl is social media icon.


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Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:13 pm

A big reason I started dancing was my insomnia - I thought I might as well earn money while I was awake all night anyway. Actually before that I remember seeing ads for bikini dancers somewhere in 1998, not sure why but I felt drawn to the idea and arranged an audition - then didn't have the guts to do it.

I eventually started in a 'hostess' club in 2002. It was a sit-down kind of place (they had a 'take-out' set-up so customers could take girls back to their hotels after being fleeced for champagne, but I was so green and innocent I was unaware of this at first and only ever worked in the club).

I can't even remember if there was a house fee but we'd only get commission on champagne sales, so the objective was purely to get guys to buy the most expensive bottles and get through them fast. There were a couple of poles and a dancefloor so a few girls would put on a show, but it was more of an all-night champagne lounge.

I started dancing elsewhere about a year later (after falling off the stage at my first audition :lol:) and then danced on and off alongside day jobs for 14 years. I started escorting too later on in the '00s and in ways have preferred it to dancing, especially the travelling.
Also dabbled in making clips for about 6 months at one point and did quite well, but I got sidetracked and lost the momentum.


I don't dance anymore but some changes I noticed when returning later on (generalising here) were that standards were overall lower - clubs had previously been a bit stricter on who they'd hire. It was also easier to make money back in the day as guys used to go to the club intending to have a good time and to spend, not time-waste or barter all night - partly as it was all newer, more exciting, a novelty for them back then.


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Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:36 pm

AvaJade wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:13 pm A big reason I started dancing was my insomnia - I thought I might as well earn money while I was awake all night anyway. Actually before that I remember seeing ads for bikini dancers somewhere in 1998, not sure why but I felt drawn to the idea and arranged an audition - then didn't have the guts to do it.

I eventually started in a 'hostess' club in 2002. It was a sit-down kind of place (they had a 'take-out' set-up so customers could take girls back to their hotels after being fleeced for champagne, but I was so green and innocent I was unaware of this at first and only ever worked in the club).

I can't even remember if there was a house fee but we'd only get commission on champagne sales, so the objective was purely to get guys to buy the most expensive bottles and get through them fast. There were a couple of poles and a dancefloor so a few girls would put on a show, but it was more of an all-night champagne lounge.

I started dancing elsewhere about a year later (after falling off the stage at my first audition :lol:) and then danced on and off alongside day jobs for 14 years. I started escorting too later on in the '00s and in ways have preferred it to dancing, especially the travelling.
Also dabbled in making clips for about 6 months at one point and did quite well, but I got sidetracked and lost the momentum.


I don't dance anymore but some changes I noticed when returning later on (generalising here) were that standards were overall lower - clubs had previously been a bit stricter on who they'd hire. It was also easier to make money back in the day as guys used to go to the club intending to have a good time and to spend, not time-waste or barter all night - partly as it was all newer, more exciting, a novelty for them back then.
This is golden information. I too have witnessed the changes over the years: Phone sex, Camming and dancing. Not to erase our provider friends, but the restraints coming down on our safe spaces makes it even more difficult to highlight escorts.


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Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:47 pm

I started out in sexting, around 2008. I believe the company was Text121Chat (which is apparently STILL active?!), and I had shifts where I'd sext customers for 3-4 hours at a time. I barely made any money, but I was a green little college student, during the recession, and it was hard to come by any vanilla job at that time.

I joined my first forum for sex work, at that time. I forget what it was called, but it was for phone sex & psychic hotlines. People shared their tips, and it was extremely helpful, as otherwise I was the only person I knew, working in that industry.

Then I became a cocktail waitress at a strip club, and started stripping in 2010. I had joined the Exotic Dancer Net forums, at the time, for some motivation & encouragement, and to start learning the ropes.

The strip club was SO different, then. We had floor length gowns for VIP rooms, minimum time in VIP was 1 hour, and you HAD to buy a bottle of expensive champagne. We had 50-80 girls working every night, the club would get so busy that there was standing room only, and we had VIP floor hosts who would try to schmooze the customers into getting their whole party back into the VIP rooms.

There were actual rules, like you couldn't eat food in the dressing room, you couldn't be on your phone on the floor (customers definitely couldn't record anything on their phones), and they would sometimes do weigh-ins (ugh fuck that). We still found things like used condoms, sometimes, but the extras girls were apparently really good at hiding what they were doing. My club was considered upscale, and I never saw anything myself.

We also had girls doing legit stage SHOWS. Like, almost burlesque or Vegas style performances. We had a girl who'd been dancing for 10 years prior to when I got there, and she was a spectacle to behold in the best way possible. Another girl did a full on bellydance routine, and she also did the same style of dance for lapdances.

It was a whole vibe. Times have changed a lot. My club has slowed down, but at the same time, it's honestly much more chill, and easy to get through a night of work. You're not drowning in a sea of people crammed into one building, anymore. And while there are still some serious drugs happening, most of the dancers are now mellowed out from vaping, and they're nicer to each other.

Also, hiring standards have gone way down, because at this point, clubs are acknowledging that business has slowed down, and at least girls will pay house fees.

Regarding camming/texting... the texting sites used to literally be text only, long form conversations, where you'd rapidly talk to someone as fast as possible to get $0.10/text (iirc). No photos, nothing. SextPanther feels like the gold standard, now. I don't notice as many changes in camming, because I started on Streamate around 2010, and it's relatively similar except for tip vibes and splitcamming 5 sites at once, becoming my new normal. But I do think way more girls are camming than ever before, now, and it seems fairly mainstream, especially subscription sites like OnlyFans.

I will add, I used to have people literally stare at me in shock, when I told them I was a stripper. I was "outed" at my past vanilla jobs as "the stripper," even when I was no longer working at the club. Nowadays, I hear people bring up their OnlyFans in casual conversation, in public, and everyone does pole fitness.


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Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:59 am

^Great post.
Ugh, I never saw or heard of weigh-ins at any club I worked at. Girls would just be fired or at least kept off the stage for 'getting fat'.

Yeah, gowns and multiple outfit changes were always required every night too. When I went back in 2014 after a break, I got away with wearing the same gown all night and making minimal effort with hair and makeup. Lucky for me, because honestly I was over the unnecessary effort, LOL.
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Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:07 am

Also I just remembered how freaked out my boyfriend at the time was, when I was just sexting dudes on Text121Chat -- no images, just text, literally pretending to be some generic avatar, lmao. I feel like that would be the most vanilla thing EVER in today's standards.


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Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:42 am

I danced on and off from '98-08.

I started in '98, day shift. I was 18 and friends with a dancer already. When she invited me to work, that's when it dawned on me she didn't mean theater dancing! All the dancers were so nice. I ended up working there after a temp position (while I was in uni) got filled permanently by the company and the temp agency didn't have any other work. no one was hiring! I worked there for about a month b4 my bf at the time flipped out.

I went back in '00-01 after the crash and getting laid off from from our jobs. I would waitress and dance some days until the bf at the time flipped out again! lol

after we split up and I was living on my own and single (still in uni), I went back to dancing a few days a week for a few years, '02-05, even when having other part time jobs OTC during this time, just so I could support myself and not have to get into debt with student loans and also not have to work full time, while still adding to my resume for after uni

Then went back in '07 after missing it and being bored af in corporate america. I had no idea that camming existed. if i did at this point in time, I would've started then!

camming career started in '14 - present day without any breaks.

I danced in a couple different states and did repeat some clubs over the years. I guess since I got introduced to day shift, that's where I have always felt most comfortable. In the late 90s, I remember a thousand dollar a day girl (I wasn't one of them, however had them 1-2x weekly), and the club also had us report how many dances and how much tips we made during the day so we could pay our taxes right then. made tax time much easier back then!
I loved saturday afternoon ITC. it seems so chill, you wouldn't know the girls dancers are walking out with $1k+

One of the states I worked in scheduled dancers to come in 4-5 shifts/week and if you weren't willing to do that, you weren't going to work there. and you had to start at night and they watched the dressing rooms to make sure you weren't back there. working day was a privilege. I banked hard at that club, especially since I was scheduled. talking $1k nightly.

When I went back towards the end of my decade in and out of dancing, I went to one of those super upscale clubs and did day shift. with the money crowd that came in, I would make max $700, with regulars, average was more like 2-300 if no regulars showed up.

I didn't ever notice anything different really with the club atmosphere or the types of girls. some would bring in serious crowds while seemingly doing nothing on stage except stripping down to those special typical of the 90s bedazzled dancer's t-backs, some had serious stage game and would come in before the club opened to practice their pole routines. Dancers offering bjs under the table and other no-no's were a thing from 98-08.

I noticed the price of dances NEVER changed over that decade! Towards the end of the decade of dancing, I would get a lot more of those pay to take me home offers, which iirc, back when I started dancing, contact OTC was super rare. Really, you only did that if the main manager or owner knew these super high spending geezers and would give you the explicit ok. I did get the ok for a couple of super high spending whale regulars that were friends with the main old geezer manager and owner and got to go to some stupendous football games and high price dinners and lake houses and boat parties, etc.

I moved out of the country and was freelancing online until I found camming in 2014, which was a lot more stable and lucrative than what I was making at the time. started with KL with SM on the side until KL merged into a white label of SM. not sure if anything has changed really.

seen A LOT of sites (some more surprising than others) come and go though!


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